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We’ve all seen the small notice on the slot machine that says something like, “Machine malfunction voids all pays and plays.” Have you ever really thought about what you would do if it happened to you?
Stephen Wilkinson was playing his favorite slot machine at the Philadelphia Park casino in Pennsylvania when he hit the jackpot for $102,000. The machine lit up, the jackpot music started to play, and on the screen it congratulated him on his win of $102,000. People quickly gathered around and began congratulating him, in fact the women beside him was so excited she phoned her husband to tell him the news. Well, Stephen was in for a big surprise but it wasn’t $102,000.
After several minutes of casino employees huddled in deep discussion, they made their way over to Stephen to congratulate him on his win. Wrong! They made their way over to let him know that there was a machine malfunction, and he did not hit the jackpot. However, they would compensate him for the malfunction by providing him with two free tickets to their buffet. No, I’m not making that part up. They tried to reconcile the situation by giving him two free buffet tickets. Unless there was gold and diamonds on the buffet, that doesn’t seem like just compensation to me.
What do you think? Do you think the casino should have to pay the money, or are they not liable because they have the warning on the machine? What about if it happened to you, how do you think you would respond? What would you do?
Let’s take a look at similar situation that occurred, you may have a different reaction. This actually happened to a fellow gambler that I know and it happened on a video poker machine instead of a slot machine, but video poker machines are classified as “slots” and have the same malfunction warning on each machine. This story has a slightly different twist to it, but ironically it was for about the same amount of money.
John was in the casino when he noticed a single progressive video poker machine. A single progressive simply means that the machine is not hooked up to any other machines, the jackpot rises as someone plays that machine only. Many video poker single progressives have a large display above the machine that lets the customer know how high the jackpot is. John noticed a $1 denomination ($5 for max play) video poker machine where the display read that the jackpot was $104,000 for a royal flush. If you don’t play video poker, just know that a normal payout for a royal on a $1 machine is $4,000. The progressives are reset at $4,000 and move up as the game is played.
John knew something wasn’t right. It’s almost mathematically impossible for a $1 video poker progressive machine to get over $100,000 without a royal flush being hit. If it got up to $20,000 it would be big news and you wouldn’t be able to play the machine because it would be packed with people. John decided to play and see what happened. The entire time he played the jackpot was still listed as $104,000 and was increasing as he played. After about an hour, sure enough John hit a royal flush.
What do you think happened?
- A) The casino paid him the $104,000 that was advertised on the machine.
- B) They paid him nothing because there was a machine malfunction.
- C) They paid him the reset jackpot value of $4,000.
- D) They paid him some other amount.
If you guessed option C you would be correct. The casino explained to John that the progressive counter display had malfunctioned and they would not pay him the $104,000. John didn’t fight it too much because he knew there was nothing he could do. I think he was most upset at the fact that they paid him the minimum of $4,000, which is the reset amount, instead of at least compensating him something extra since it was a progressive. They claimed that the malfunction voided everything, and basically they were saying he’s lucky to be getting the $4,000.
What is your feeling on this situation? Is it different from the first story? Does it matter that John knew something was amiss when he sat down at the machine? I would love to hear your thoughts, and any similar situations that may have happened to you or someone you know.
Is the outcome determined when the button is pressed to initiate the spin sequence, or
is the outcome determined at some later time after the reels have started spinning?
If I understand the new slots, the outcome is solely determined by the electronics. The reels are purely there for visuals for the player. However, when I am playing a slot machine, I can hit the button at any time to stop the reels sooner than they would have stopped.
When I use the button to stop the reels, am I getting a different outcome than I would have gotten had I let the reels stop on their own?
I am not asking if I am changing my chances of a win. I know that stopping the reels early has zero effect on that. I'm just curious if the outcome is determined at the initiation, which would mean the outcome is the exact same whether or not I stop the reels early, or if the outcome is determined at some later point, which might mean I get a different outcome depending on when I stop the reels.
When I use the button to stop the reels, am I getting a different outcome than I would have gotten had I let the reels stop on their own?
No. The moment you hit the button to start the game, the random numbers are chosen... the spinning of the wheels is just to build excitement.. you are not changing the final result by hitting the button a second time to stop the wheels.
No. The moment you hit the button to start the game, the random numbers are chosen... the spinning of the wheels is just to build excitement.. you are not changing the final result by hitting the button a second time to stop the wheels.
Not to be argumentative but because I know slot machines don't always do this let me state:
Some slots are affected by the second hit that stops the reels spinning.
And some don't matter.
You can tell if the reels are a 'slower' spin and when you stop the machine because something passes by if that symbol stays on the machine then you definitely had an effect by stopping the machine.
There are other machines where when you stop the reels at the symbol you see, either a) the symbol completely disappears mysteriously or b) the reels pick up speed on the second push so you miss the symbol anyway. These machines do not have any decision made when you push the button a second time.
I know a lot of people are going to jump on me for this but I am just annoyed at all the people who spout they know these machines when I have seen the evidence they are wrong. So go ahead, guys and beat me up on this.
I know a lot of people are going to jump on me for this but I am just annoyed at all the people who spout they know these machines when I have seen the evidence they are wrong. So go ahead, guys and beat me up on this.
I am not going to jump on you but I will say that I have programmed games for many large slot machine manufacturers and that I haven't seen one in the last 15 years where stopping the reels early gives a different result.
Not to be argumentative but because I know slot machines don't always do this let me state:
Some slots are affected by the second hit that stops the reels spinning.
And some don't matter.
You can tell if the reels are a 'slower' spin and when you stop the machine because something passes by if that symbol stays on the machine then you definitely had an effect by stopping the machine.
There are other machines where when you stop the reels at the symbol you see, either a) the symbol completely disappears mysteriously or b) the reels pick up speed on the second push so you miss the symbol anyway. These machines do not have any decision made when you push the button a second time.
I know a lot of people are going to jump on me for this but I am just annoyed at all the people who spout they know these machines when I have seen the evidence they are wrong. So go ahead, guys and beat me up on this.
You're wrong. You thinking you see something doesn't make it true. Even when you stop the reels, it still goes to a predetermined outcome. You cannot cause it to win by stopping reels when it wasn't going to.
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You're wrong. You thinking you see something doesn't make it true. Even when you stop the reels, it still goes to a predetermined outcome. You cannot cause it to win by stopping reels when it wasn't going to.
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So if I find a slot machine where I can provide video evidence this is true? I am so confident I can prove this I will go with a video phone (and hoping the casino doesn't stop me) show that I am not full of crap.
Then when everyone sees it what will you say? Just because everyone sees it does not make it true?
Also if you win free spins on a bonus, do you win a predetermined amount of money or is every spin a new random event?
Are the answers to these questions determined by the slot manufacture or the state gaming commission?
Are all those people who pull their slot card out of the machine when they hit a bonus, wasting their time trying to keep the casino from knowing about their winnings?
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Please post the video as soon as you get it.You should be able to put the phone in your pocket and record with out any one noticing.
Certainly. I will be in AC near the end of the week.
Are the amount of the bonus win also determined at the time the spin button is pressed? Lets says I have the choice of choosing A, B or C, will I win $10 no matter which letter I choose or does A=5, B=10, or C=20 and my choice determines the amount of the win.
Also if you win free spins on a bonus, do you win a predetermined amount of money or is every spin a new random event?
Are the answers to these questions determined by the slot manufacture or the state gaming commission?
Are all those people who pull their slot card out of the machine when they hit a bonus, wasting their time trying to keep the casino from knowing about their winnings?
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I *believe* the answers are as follows (but not 100% sure):
The amount of the bonus win is NOT determined at the time of the spin (but whether you line up the symbols to get a bonus round is). I saw a Wiz article where he believed that if you made a choice in the bonus game and then it showed you the results from the other options afterwards, that it is a fair game and that your choice makes a difference in how much you win. If it doesn't show you the options that you didn't pick.. then it very well might be pre-determined.
I think every spin is a new random event in the bonus rounds as well.. although the reels might be different than the regular game (WMS reels are definitely different)
I would say that the answers to these questions are determined by the slot manufacturer, however a game wouldn't be approved by state gaming commission if it didn't meet minimum standards for payback etc.
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From reading on here, I believe it used to be that removing your card kept winnings from being recorded, but that has all changed now.Toy Slot Machine Wont Spin Machine
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